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Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:38:00 - [1] Originally by: thoth foc ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. I wish people would move away from the ASCN have 4k members thing. It is nothing like that, everyone in ASCN has multiple alts (I have about 5 characters in ASCN for example, with cyno alts, industrial characters etc and I have corp mates with 8 or 9). I would say its more likely to be less than 1k actual people, of which about half are what you would call active players. On our best day I would say that we can slightly out blob BoB who have fewer total numbers but fewer alts and more active players. Unfortunately, for us more than BoB I would say, this war has turned out to be very little fun indeed. Every large scale engagement is marred by lag and node crashes (and I dont think its a bob specific issue, when we went to 68ft to try to kill the AAA poses I gave up logging back in after the fifth time the node crashed over the course of the evening). Smaller scale engagements are similarly lacking in fun with childish smack in local and general unpleasantness spoiling any feeling of fun or that you are playing a simple game. Fighting against G/IRON was much better than this as we were more evenly matched, there was less crap surrounding the fights (especially the TS spying that is so rife in this war, and which I just find so incredibly lame, I mean, cheating in order to 'win' at a videogame ) and it was just generally speaking more fun. There is not a huge amount of fun in the game at the moment and I stick around only for the sake of my corpmates really. On the plus side this has shaken my eve addiction to the extent that I can now play other games or take the odd night off, so thanks for that at least.
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:50:00 - [2] Originally by: Crohnx this thread is no official ascn statement or opinion , so dont look on it like that , its just 1 man's opinion and gunga next time post this **** on ascn forums not eve-o , thank u. Why bother, it would only take them 10 minutes to cut and paste it across to an eve-o thread in any event.
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:01:00 - [3] Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: thoth foc ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. I wish people would move away from the ASCN have 4k members thing. It is nothing like that, everyone in ASCN has multiple alts (I have about 5 characters in ASCN for example, with cyno alts, industrial characters etc and I have corp mates with 8 or 9). I would say its more likely to be less than 1k actual people, of which about half are what you would call active players. I wonder what makes ASCN think that they are unique in this respect... Reality check... All alliances have members with multiple alts, including BOB. Making excuses around these stats is inaccurate and blinkered. Errrr where did I say it was not universally applicable? I would say that BoB probably has fewer alts and inactive members than ASCN as it is a more demanding environment.
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:05:00 - [4] Edited by: Evelyn Exe on 23/11/2006 13:05:50 Originally by: Vathar Ah, but then, what's the point in claiming you're the biggest Alliance in Eve if you admit blatantly that the average ASCN member has 3-5 alts? I still think ASCN is the largest alliance in eve, its just that its nothing like 4k actual members, in the same way that BoB is not 1.5k actual members (or however many people are in it). Its just silly to say "OMG how can you only get a blob of 100 people when there are 4,000 of you" when there are nothing like 4000 people.
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Kryztal Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: thoth foc ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. I wish people would move away from the ASCN have 4k members thing. It is nothing like that, everyone in ASCN has multiple alts (I have about 5 characters in ASCN for example, with cyno alts, industrial characters etc and I have corp mates with 8 or 9). I would say its more likely to be less than 1k actual people, of which about half are what you would call active players. I wonder what makes ASCN think that they are unique in this respect... Reality check... All alliances have members with multiple alts, including BOB. Making excuses around these stats is inaccurate and blinkered. Errrr where did I say it was not universally applicable? I would say that BoB probably has fewer alts and inactive members than ASCN as it is a more demanding environment. I actually have 6-7 alts in BoB and im fairly inactive atm. So erm try again ? That is specific to you, not a general statement. If BoB had the same numbers of alts and inactives as ASCN its max blob size would be about 50 people, so I would say my statement is true. And if its not well, do you care?
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Evelyn Exe Errrr where did I say it was not universally applicable? I would say that BoB probably has fewer alts and inactive members than ASCN as it is a more demanding environment. If you are agreeing that it's universally applicable then stop complaining about people using those universally applicable stats. The point is that your complaining about it, but it's the same for most alliances which makes your compliant a moot point. No, because if we get 200 people out of 1000 real people that is a 20% participation ratio which with TZ ratios into account is pretty good. 200 out of 4000 is 5% which is, frankly, rubbish. So it does make a difference. And a moot point is a point for debate/discussion, which is what we are doing, no?
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Kryztal I dont really care no, just laughing at yet another excuse why ASCN fail. What are you talking about? How is it an excuse to state what everyone knows which is that alliance numbers are not represetnative of the number of people in the alliance. You are in fact agreeing with me on that basic point. All I was doing was resopnding to a statement by someone from BoB about ASCN having 4000 members when everyone knows that this is not remotely the case. Honestly is it not possible to statement something fairly uncontroversial on these forums without people trying to spin it into something it is not and/or flame you for it?
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:28:00 - [8] Edited by: Evelyn Exe on 23/11/2006 13:32:43 Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Evelyn Exe No, because if we get 200 people out of 1000 real people that is a 20% participation ratio which with TZ ratios into account is pretty good. 200 out of 4000 is 5% which is, frankly, rubbish. So it does make a difference. And a moot point is a point for debate/discussion, which is what we are doing, no? Apologies for any mis-use of 'moot point'.. I thought it meant irrelevant.. not quite used to these Americanisms.. I'm English.. I speak english, you know from England. So, just to clarify, your complaint isn't really about people using the 4000 stat.. It's the fact that your alliances participation is 'rubbish', and has failed in this respect. I can understand your frustration with people highlighting your alliances failures, but when you have a situation like this, people are of course going to do that. The only point I was trying to make and which has now been spun and blown out of all proportion was in response to a statement from a BoB guy that ASCN has "4000 members" when it is nothing like that. No idea how you arrived at your interpretation into my post. edit: thank you Darcuese for a reasoned bob post.
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 17:11:00 - [9] Originally by: Nez Perces ASCN - 5000 members AAArggh dont make me start with this again On topic - I dont have any issues with GK's post, I thought it was pretty good and sensible.

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